What new country has this administration invaded on the basis of lies?

Troops are returning from Iraq.

The beginning of health care reform will be passed.

Big good changes.

Coville, you are definitely right about Subdivision A, Subtitle D, section 131 of the health care reform bill not cutting the costs of health care. What will happen is this commitee on fair marketing practices will probably establish a price range floor that Health care insurers cant make exceeding it or even lowering prices beyond it. A enterprising person who wants to establish a no frills health care plan for young adults who want to sell it at lower price below the price range floor would be denied selling his health insurance because he is not in the price range. While the big insurance companies can afford to sell their insurance within the price range they will complain to the Fair price committie for this young upstart notfollowing the price range. This always happens when you have government panels controlling prices. Talk about the law of unintended consequences!

"And yes, the repubs did it, so now the tables have turned. Did you really expect the dems to be "holyier" while repubs keep running roughshod?" I thought this was the administration of CHANGE. I remember candidate Obama saying he was going to do things differently. I guess your ok with him lying to you.

"Grow up colville, bills are ALWAYS passed with other things in them." it is a child that knows he is being screwed over and does nothing about it. An adult demands things be improved.

I agree that the handling of the Iraq war was done poorly. We should fix that moving forward. Feel better now?

Serious question for you nic11, or any other progressive on this site. Why do you defend the action of this administration by pointing out that the opposition party did it when they where in the white house or in the majority? Is it ok in your mind for this administration to make the same mistakes as past administrations?

 I would be willing to look at the merit of giving my money to someone to become a doctor, and may even be for it if the process of handing out the money is fair and there is a way to recoup the invested funds so as not to increase the deficit.

I had just as much of a complaint when my money was given out to invade Iraq on false premises. Like a trillion and counting. Not to mention the lives lost. So what fair accounting was there, and how did that debacle not blow a hole in the deficit?

I just happen to see it that spending money on Americans in actual need are more important.

And yes, the repubs did it, so now the tables have turned. Did you really expect the dems to be "holyier" while repubs keep running roughshod?

Grow up colville, bills are ALWAYS passed with other things in them.

nic11: This is an easy one. If you want money for education it should be in an education bill (wow, I can't believe I had to say that out loud), not in a health insurance reform bill. I would be willing to look at the merit of giving my money to someone to become a doctor, and may even be for it if the process of handing out the money is fair and there is a way to recoup the invested funds so as not to increase the deficit.

But what you fail to understand is that bills are supposed to be focused. If you want to reform health insurance, then you tackle that issue in one bill. If you want to make it easier for people to become doctors by offering educational grants, you do that in a separate bill. If you want to stop insurance companies from denying coverage based on preexisting conditions guess what you do? Thats right, you right a separate bill.

This process allows each idea to be debated on it's own merit and it does not allow ear marks and hidden agendas to find their way into a good bill. This is the change Americans wanted when we voted in 2008. The only change we got was a change back to the Clinton administration, when the people told the Democrats that we didn't want government controlled healthcare then and we still don't want it now.

I guess sometimes you have to spank a dog more than once before he learns not to poop in the house.

Get More Doctors

Anyone who has even the most basic grasp of economics knows that, when supply increases, price decreases. If we had more doctors, and other medical professionals, healthcare costs would go down.

So how do you get more doctors? Maybe rather than plowing billions into universal healthcare, the government should plow millions into universities for medical programs.

First, they could use this money to subsidize medical-field tuition. The prospect of paying back easily over $100,000 in medical school loans must deter many smart, capable college graduates from giving it a shot. Instead, they flock to careers like law or finance, where they can make just as much or more money, but owe less money to do so. Even undergraduate degrees in nursing or medical fields could be more scholarship-based to encourage careers in healthcare.

Second, universities can use this funding to create programs that don't currently exist. More medical schools or other healthcare-related programs mean more doctors and healthcare workers.

More doctors might also make healthcare more effective. Lighter workloads mean doctors will be less stressed and can take better care of patients.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2009/06/two-ways-to-lower-healthcare-costs/19642/

Satisified? Even you could have found an answer to your question. Unless all you are interested in is politics and bringing down "the other side".

Now find some other thing to nit pick colville.

nic11, how does paying for education lower healthcare insurance costs?

If you want to pay for someone's education then have your representative draw up a bill that does that. It does not belong in a bill that is supposed to be for lower the cost of healthcare. Do you even know how the legislative system supposed to work?

If this was about helping people by lowering the cost of healthcare then the bill could have been done a year ago. Instead Democrats like you only care about giving more control of your life over to the government.

nic11, you do not care about people's healthcare. All you have demonstrated you care about is winning an election or an "argument". You have no desire to find that right answer if that answer is not what you think it is.

You can not show any evidence that the extra stuff I pointed out does anything to lower the cost of healthcare, which is what this bill is supposed to accomplish. If something does not work towards accomplishing the goal of the bill then it does not belong in it. Is this really that hard for you to understand? My 12 year old daughter gets it, why don't you?

It takes 60 votes to stop debate in the Senate. This is how all non-budget bills have been done for years.

News flash to all you "strict constructionists". 60 votes is a senate rule, found NOWHERE in the Constitution.

Probably has to do with assuring that we have enough trained and qualified medical people. Unless you just think that's not important either.

SEC. 2213. TRAINING IN FAMILY MEDICINE, GENERAL INTERNAL MEDICINE, GENERAL PEDIATRICS, GERIATRICS, AND PHYSICIAN ASSISTANTSHIP.

But please quit with the phony concern, all you folks want is to bring down Obama and the dems. People's health is the least of your worries or this would have been done last year.